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Improvements to the lockout

It would be great if we could prevent our risk settings from being altered for a set amount of time determined by us. Eg, there have been times when my max daily loss could be set at 500, I might go down 400 in a trade then I can quickly go in and change it before it hits 500. Silly, I know, and believe me, I’m trying to improve but it would be great if that option was completely removed. i’d love to be able to lock my risk parameters for say a week or a month at a time.

Another great feature would be to be able to implement a daily trailing max loss rather than a static one to help protect profits.

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  • The_Way_Out

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    Jun 11

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    Merged request

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    7 votes

    Offer a Lockin-Profit / Trailing Lockin-Profit feature! {akin to Lockout feature}

    Ever accumulate trading profits only to hand it ALL back and then some? Ever ponder how to prevail over this difficult Trader default? Well look no more! With a Lockin-Profit feature!

    Idea is as follows: A must feature for TopStep Traders who are in profit and would like to lock in their profit, yet do not want a missed potential market opportunity slipping by from using the full Lockout feature. Example: Trader is up $2200 and decides they shall at the very least lock in $2000, they can decide that if they shall lose or drawdown $200 of that profit from that time, then the account would be liquidated and locked out; as well as giving the option of a Trailing Lockin-Profit; whereas they may keep trading while the Lockin-Profit is in place and will trail their profit to their fixed amount of choice until it is breached, then it shall Lock the account, in profit. This is the simple concise version of this idea, please feel free to read on below if you like reading as I dive deeper.

    The remainder of this idea is as follows, reviews relevant psychological research and literature, introduces examples of this topic, and final section presents conclusions and provides recommendations for future research specifically for TopStep personnel.

    Traders are humans, thus bad trading habits may form. Somewhere a Trader is revenge trading, because the Trader is trying to recuperate a loss of profit they had already captured that day. This grievous habit, permitted to, can spiral into losing ALL the arduous profits one has already made. Has this befriended you? I assure it is a trading bane of my existence. Once inimical habits are formed, they can be stubborn, even detrimental to our trading. Personally, I tell myself "stop doing that", and most of the time the self-critique fails in the moment, the behavior already played out and its consequences are being felt. My profits vaporizing before me is a feeling of thirst in a parched desert, a raisin drying up in the blistering desert sun, it just stinks, like rotten meat. Agony I say!

    Surely I believe this Lockin-Profit feature will truly help Traders form better habits when they utilize the feature on TopStepX. I personally have had many many days of losing the market proceeds already attained, due to trying to hit the combine bench mark, or profit targets, even to go as far as being up +$2600 [trying to hit $3000, the 50% target for a 100k combine] to ending the day DLL at -$2200. It would have been avoided if a Lockin-Profit feature was already in place.

    "Know thyself", and I do know myself, and understand Traders know they should not seek revenge, gamble, or overtrade, and yet we partake. I believe this Lockin-Profit feature on TopStepX will reinforce specific behaviors, shifting traders actions from diliberate to habitual in the retaining of hard to find market profit. Changing habits may never be easy. Mark Twain said, "Habit is a habit, and not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed downstairs one step at a time."

    Now, It seams easy for some to say, "well you need to exercise more self-discipline and just stop trading". Easier said than done of course. Considering numerous studies have provided us with empirical evidence that habit forming and self-discipline are significantly psychologically different. [Pavlov's conditioned reflex vs learned a.k.a classical conditioning, Watson's Behaviorism, B.F. Skinner Operant conditioning, Loewenstien 1996, Finucane 2000, Solvic 2002, etc. ] There is a direct correlation between securing profits and gaining more in the minds of Traders; this feature can go a long way in developing beneficial trading habits for Traders, specifically in the operation of securing profits.

    I personally battle in the loss-of-profit arena, and do know other Traders are undertaking the same contest. Just to possess the feeling one is not isolated in the struggle yields a serene effect. Therefore I say to the imperfect Trader, Ye are not alone. I thirst for a comfortable life equal to those that have already overcome profit targets, securing profits, willpower to just stop and such as well. And just because another Trader is already rooted with all the parts of not overtrading, protecting their profits via self-discipline and superstar Trading habits, does not affirm the process that shaped their self-control will be the same for others. I believe through technology by way of TopStep's altruistic management of their Traders, will do the same for Traders as myself through a Lockin-Profit feature on TopStepX.

    One may lack inner substance and stand weak against the loss of profits or the need for more, yet be cognitive of and disciplined enough to allow technology/TopStepX Trailing Lockin-Profit feature to make the ultimate daily trading decision. This feature would relieve the stressful trading conundrum- "trade or not to trade when in profit."

    FOR TopStep Personnel:

    Whether this explosive idea of a Lockin-Profit or a Trailing Lockin-Profit concept is agreed upon or not, its use from the TopStepX "Research Analyst" will collect more than useful relevant data, a.k.a. profitable-information. This trading management adjustment may yield great results.

    The data obtained will show that a Trader will have the motivation to achieve self-discipline in securing profits through the TopStepX feature, thus creating a beneficial Trading habit in utilizing a "Trailing Lockin-Profit feature", an obvious cognitive decision, in return will have rich implications in Trading, Investment, and Research Analysis. This is a promising area for future study for improving knowledge of how profits are truncated, to the extreme of daily and max loss limits invoked. Moreover, linking the most used and favored Lock-out feature with a new Trailing Lockin-Profit stop is complementary rather than antithetical.

    Integrating these two knowledge domains [the Self and Technology] offers a promising way. This data may bridge the gap between these two knowledge domains by linking quantifiable psychological research and simple interpreted sentiment influence on traders mental management of an on going trade. Thus incorporating these TopStepX platform choices [Lockout and Lockin-Profit] into each other goes a long way toward interpreting a psychological difference with the inevitable un-disciplined trader, who will since form a habit of disciplined profit consumption.

    Enhancing knowledge of the influence of one motivated to use technology, in this case the Lockin-Profit feature, to form a positive profitable habit requires further study to incorporate different economic, emotional factors as well as cultural into this accumulated data. Of course the data is only obtained when the new Trailing Lockin-Profit feature is implemented.

    • The_Way_Out

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      Aug 1, 2024

      Anyone who has ideas for this feature please feel free to input and brainstorm here in these comments.

      One thing I failed to add, as I did not consider it until I saw another post that is up. It is intergrading the PDLL [Personal daily loss limit] into this “Lockin-Profit” feature.

      Where one may trail there PDLL, because that is what some Traders are asking for. Once they are in profit it then would consolidate into this Trailing-Lockin-Profit feature.

      A concerning issuethat needs to be addressed, is a request from a post that is asking to limit the amount of time someone can even change their PDLL to once per day.

      This would be highly incongruous, nullifying any idea of a Trailing Personal daily loss limit. Their reasoning is that if a Trader is undisciplined, then how can they be entrusted with the option to change their PDLL throughout the day? As they will just keep adjusting it until they hit their DLL.

      I bring this up because that post has 50 likes and is currently in “Planned” mode. They are asking that Traders may only change their PDLL once per day is some small window of time. I dislike this idea.

      I believe the only way it could work is if once a Trader is already in a Trade, then it cannot be adjusted while still in a Trade. If they are not in a trade then the Trader should be able to fine-tune their PDLL, or their Lockin-Profit as they please.

      Any other ideas or information, please disclose them here in the comments.

  • David Walsh

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    Jun 10

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    Merged request

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    1 vote

    Risk management improvements

    Need to have the ability to lockout with an option to close open trades or leave them open with SL and TPs already set. I dont like to trade NY session so the lockout feature for that specific session is great but if I have a trade open when the NY session starts the system should lock me out but leave the trade open

    Another great addition would be to add a feature that would allow only a certain number of losing trades. For instance, if I lose 2 trades in a row lockout hits.

  • The_Way_Out

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    Nov 14, 2024

    I have proposed this idea as well. The ability to set a lock out to protect profits. https://s2f.featurebase.app/p/offer-a-lockin-profit-trailing-lockin-profit-feature-akin-to Go and upvote mine as I have yours. Many traders have requested this but nobody is upvoting each others, so it is not getting any attention at all.